I got this today:
When I click on the door, I get to this YT link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnbYy-eZIxQ
Anyone know what is up?
I got this today:
When I click on the door, I get to this YT link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnbYy-eZIxQ
Anyone know what is up?
The YouTube link is an announcement about Iommiâs new album.
I look very much forward to that ![]()
He is an amazing guitarist!
Btw: and this is meant as a sincere question:
How do you rate the great Iommi to the great Ritchie Blackmore?
Iâm not that much into Black Sabbath, except when Ian screamed his way through that glorious year - but I have really enjoyed Iommiâs guitaristing⌠(yes, I know itâs not a word but with this new forum I dare also inventing new terms and words
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To me RB seems much more poetic, whereas Iommi is way heavier and brutal, but very very good.
Iommi is like Blackmore: inimitable. Everything he has ever played is like a pieces of a pig: nothing goes to waste. Black Sabbath are the bible.
Difficult one, but I think in the number of remaining phalanxes Ritchie is somewhat ahead.
A lot of people donât realize that the legendary Iommi sound, very short vibrato, heavy distortion, excessive use of wah-wah, thin strings tuned several steps down, playing triplets where other people would play sixteenth notes, preference for Gibson rather than Fender scale guitars (= less string tension) etc are all a consequence of that accident. Glenn Hughes observed as much in a more recent interview.
The hilarious part in Sabbath concerts was for me always when Tony did his Joe Pass impressions during his drawn out solo spot. It went straight over the heads of most Sabbatheers. ![]()
Andre I guess a lot of people agree to this! (The Bible thingâ
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Since this song:
I started to be more and more interested and fond of BS ![]()
But then allow me to ask this:
Of Blackmore, Iommi and this guy:
Are they equal good?
Iâm asking because my musical understanding is a big 0 (zero
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I think I can hear a lot of similarities - but if your life depended on it:
Who do of the three great guitarist are the best?
Now, hereâs a band I find truly overrated. Page? Nothing special; he never won me over. DP and BS are head and shoulders aboveâthree levels up, even.
Jimmy Page might have been the third best guitar player the Yardbirds ever had, but that was never a fair competition to begin with. I can totally understand if you do not enjoy the type of music that is based on playing the loudest possible (rhythm and) blues, but if you happen to enjoy that, there is absolutely nothing in the genre that compares to what Led Zeppelin in their prime did. Regardless of what I just said about Yardbirds guitarists, Cream or Jeff Beck Group were never that intense, and their American counterparts like Blue Cheer were never that virtuosic (though Vincebus Eruptum remains a massive milestone).
Purple, Sabbath and even Heep were all more âmetalâ, and I could argue I enjoy Deep Purple over Led Zeppelin in many ways, Jimmy Page was and remains the guitarist who transformed the 60âs British Invasion take of black blues into the territory that is now called heavy metal through an unprecedented intensity and virtuosity.
The thing is, all of them kind of fizzled out after the mid-1970âs, and unlike Purple (+ Family Tree), Sabbath and even Heep to an extent, Led Zeppelin or Jimmy Page never really recovered artistically. But for that 1968-1976 run (I am kind enough to leave out In Through The Out Door), he was a force of nature who made the rules, at least as much as Blackmore or Iommi did.
I would really like Tonyâs new album not to be a metal album, but to explore different territories, blues, old rock, folk, fusionâŚor even a totally acoustic albumâŚit would be surprising to finally hear him âfree from metalâ but I think this wonât happen.
Karin, the most influential hard rock guitarists of the 70s were Hendrix, Clapton, Beck, Page, Iommi and of course our own Ritchie.
Ritchie was the only one to grasp and develop Jimiâs legacy (Townshend also smashed instruments on stage, but the underlying philosophy was different and so was the technique) combining a technique, a compositional taste and an instinct without equal.
but in hard blues Page was the undisputed leader, as much as Iommi in his heavy and dark sound that was the dawn of heavy metal.
as much as Ritchie was the most influential guitarist for the symphonic heavy metal scene and subsequent subgenres, as well as for thousands of metal guitarists.
Jeff Back, for his part, was a precursor of the more eclectic, hyper-technical guitar heroes, who were also influenced by all the others.
Clapton, paradoxically, was the one whose influence on his generation was the greatest, but on subsequent generations it was almost non-existent, and yet you can immediately recognize a song played by Clapton, just as much as a song played by the other Guitar Kings!
Ultimately, there is no better guitarist than another when it comes to the fathers of hard rock guitar.
not to mention Brian May, who perhaps has the best taste and imagination of all, absolutely perfect for the creative powerhouse that was Queen!
However for a whole series of reasons Ritchie was number one in my opinion!
Donât let that Led Zep insurgent from Tasmania read this, but Page had a certain laissez faire, nonchalant and happy-go-lucky approach to soloing that neither Iommi nor Blackmore ever attained (and maybe not strove for either). Both were much more controlled and that is not always a good thing or as Don Airey once put it: Ritchie tends to overthink his solos.
Jimmy Page is the only one of the three who could have slipped into the role of a Rolling Stones lead guitarist comfortably, and - contrary to what most people in Sabbath and Purple forums tend to think - that is an ability too.
Besides, Jimmy Page had way better moves and showed animal grace (in contrast, Plant wasnât much of a dancer at all):
You wouldnât be able to tell Tony Iommi from his wax replica at Madame Tussauds and Ritchieâs classic stage moves are all painfully rehearsed, never mind how they enthralled a little Swedish kid named Yngwie.
PS: Have Led Zeppelinistas abducted Uwe in a decoy mission and hijacked his account? Watch this space âŚ
but Uwe, standing still on stage like Iommi is not necessarily a flaw, itâs also a trademark, and maybe if Iommi had been a dancer on stage it wouldnât have been as good in the overall visual impact of Sabbath
Thank you Zenos_toytus ![]()
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I found this:
Page, Beck and Clapton
In my ears it is, well I wonât call it adorable ![]()
but truly beautiful ![]()
Besides being adorable, I would define it as goosebump-inducing, with those 3 gentlemen there playing together!
I am in SHOCK, someone call an ambulance, quickly, Uwe of all people has created meltdown of sorts for me to attempt to âget overâ. Cheers.
None of them âare the bestâ Karin. They are all different and do what they do. I am an ardent follower of all three, to an extent, just like other musicians out there from my favourite bands. Guitar playing wise, I donât think of Tony Iommi as a great lead guitarist as such, he has played many fine solos in certain songs over the years, donât get me wrong. I look at his music as the foundation sort of player, the riffs, the structure of the arrangement. Blackmore for his riffs and melody, especially his lead playing. Page for his rhythm guitar playing and a few iconic solos and of course his arrangements. Something like all that anyway. Cheers.
Totally Agree Fla76, he talked of working with totally different artists way back around the 2000âs and of doing a very different solo album. Alas, he then came out with the ever predictable riff based music with all those different singers, I didnât get into that at all. Same with other ânewâ music of this century, boring. Maybe I have heard too much of his guitar playing and those riffs. I fear that this will be a repetitious affair, I am hoping it will not be though. Those riffs recycled, turns inside out, upside down etc etc. I am over Iommi big time and that is saying something after following and supporting him a lot throughout the last century. Live in 2007 and 2013 he was great, as all that was already written into the history of the past centuryâs music. We remain hopeful, it could be something special and different. Cheers.